The Sandbox

I'd just like to say one thing, because it irritates the **** out of me. I'm sick and tired of you people deciding what's best for everyone else without asking or discussing it first. The sandbox was very rarely used by moderators, site owners and admins, it was used by the regular member to have "fun". Flame baiting, spamming or whatever, I think it would have been only fair to ask what everyone else thought first. Regardless of the outcome, it would have been a lot less selfish (because removing it like this is) and would have gotten a much better response.

I'm tired of the way things get carried out here.

That's all I'm saying.

... except that I know what response I'll get, "u dunt like it den leve. are site not urs. we do wot wii wont".

First off you are entitled to your opinion and I understand where you are coming from.



If we were to debate our decisions with the entire forum population it wouldn't work. Nothing would get done around because we'd have to keep the topic going for ages to ensure everyone got their opinion/decision heard. Sad to say but large communities can't run as a democracy.



We felt this was something that had to be done because the sandbox had already turned a few members away and made long standing members leave. It had to be done on the larger scope of things. It's not that we're lazy and can't police the sandbox, it's that it dramatically affects that atmosphere of the forums. I have the utmost respect for the mod team and how they carry out their duties. So my point here is that it wasn't a selfish action to make the load easier on us.

Finally I'd like to re-iterate that this wasn't a decision that we made overnight.

I never liked the sandbox, and I never really posted in it. Nicely done.

Besides, there was this one guy (forgot his username), that kept spamming in the sandbox and saying stuff like "-1", or just posting nothing at all.

Sad to see the sandbox but I Have an idea:

I was thinking of creating such sub-forum which would be open discussion section, so pretty much any discussion could be done in it but unlike the sandbox this section would have to follow all of the board rules, which I think should be no Spam or Flamebaiting and rest of the forum rules, But Open Discussion where you can discuss almost anything -Like if it something pointless...and Wont fit into Non-Rs Disc or Non-Rs Media.

My $0.02 cents.

This was one of our last attempts, move anything that would fit in another area out of the sandbox. That didn't work so I can't see this working. It sounds too much like the original sandbox.

That's not how it should work. You can't make 90% of people here have their stay a lot less entertaining while the remaining 10% take it as an advantage.

10% feeling miserable and 90% feeling not miserable is always better than 90% feeling miserable and 10% feeling not miserable.

You can't treat people like they are 8-years old on a forum which is dedicated for ages 13+. Because that's Jagex, and as we all know, Jagex does things wrong.

I completely agree with Anubis. It should have been a public vote. And as for what Brad mentioned about what is good for community...

Right now, "good for community" seems to be "behaving nicely". Sure, that's partially it. But enjoying is also.

And therefore, if people had just voted for the Sandbox to stay, it means they like having Sandbox and therefore it is good for the community and it makes the community better. Nobody is made to go there. If someone takes every single tiny thing personally, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE SANDBOX. People aren't that prejudical. People aren't that stupid.

And as for "having everyone's vote, because otherwise it wouldn't be accurate"... Well, what? RSBANDB has, what, 50 regular members? If you hold a vote for a week, I'm sure atleast 90% of regulars would come and vote.

The rest whatever 2000 members never post/come/do anything, and therefore it's useless to even consider what may be their opinion. They don't count.

As for people have agreed with this in this topic... Once again: Well, what? As Brad said: "I don't think many people here would have approached that question with 'whats better for the community?' in their minds."

Why, of course they don't think that. They're selfish. They want to increase their own good.

But now the staff comes and says "we feel this is important for the community, and to be honest, you people wouldn't have been able to make the choice." Well, it's the staff. All the not-so-intelligent people believe it instantly and think "I guess this is for greater good... And I guess I'll have to live with it.". On the other hand, the somewhat-intelligent-people-who-liked-the-sandbox have come here to argue about whether this decision was correct. I don't see a flaw there.

As Brad said, they don't think that way. They still don't think that way. All they do is agree.

This is not righteous. This is Jagex.

you know, I never really liked it =p!